Podcast 550: Rebounding for Health: Boost Your Lymphatic System, Detox, and Immune Strength

SCOTT: What if one of the most important systems in your body is also one of the most overlooked? Your lymphatic system works around the clock to help remove waste, supports your immune system, and keeps your body functioning at its best. But when it slows down, the effects can show up in ways that you might never expect. In today's episode, we're exploring why your lymphatic system matters, what can interfere with it, and simple steps you can take to keep it flowing. Let's dive in right after this. 

Welcome everybody. This is the Life Enthusiast Health Shots podcast restoring vitality to you and the planet, and I'm your co-host Scott Paton joining us as usual, Martin Pytela, health engineer, and today we have a very special guest, which I'll let Martin talk a little bit more about.

MARTIN: And our guest today is David Scrivens. I have known David for probably 20 years. We have had a very similar trajectory at the hands of the miseducated industrial health complex. We both have suffered terrible injustices and had to dig out from deep holes. Well, I'll let David explain this. Welcome to the Life Enthusiast Health Shots, David.

DAVID: Thank you so much for having me, Scott and Martin. I really appreciate the opportunity today as well as to enlighten the folks and educate people, right? So, as you were saying, Martin, we've had similar health journeys. I've had health problems for a long time. I have a slow-moving disease. I had prostate cancer, stuff like that. The slow-moving disease caught up with me and broke out about six years ago. It showed up as secondary Raynauds, which is really quite deadly. I went through a trauma trip with the hospital, misdiagnosis, a victim of the system, right? And what happened to me was I dug it out naturopathically about 13 months ago. I got diagnosed by an infectious disease control specialist, and that was pretty well 70% of my health journey getting it back until he diagnosed it. Right now I'm 90% healthy. And it's amazing what lymphology can do for your health, your immune system, and preventative medicine.

It's really misunderstood, misappreciated. A lot of people don't know about it and it's really vital to and critical to their health overall.

MARTIN: Yeah. Let me just say this. When we at Life Enthusiast try to explain the difference between the mainstream approach and the solve the solution permanently approach. We categorize the problems that get you in trouble in four groups. Toxicity, which is the presence of stuff that shouldn't be there. Malnutrition, which is the absence of stuff that should be in there. Stagnation, which is a lack of dynamic movement and exchanges. And trauma which is the damage that we do to ourselves through the invisible means, mostly emotional, spiritual and other. But it's the third one, the stagnation, that requires an active participation, and this is where this sewage system of the body, the lymphatic system comes into play. Anyway, David, you could probably explain it. Exactly why this really matters, right?

DAVID: Absolutely. I can give it my best shot as a lymphologist, right? The lymphatic system runs head to toe in your body. It removes all toxins, impurities, and metabolic waste compounds. So, what happens over time is because we live in an extremely toxic world as well where our food is, a lot of it has added preservatives, the environment is toxin we breathe in those toxins. This builds up over time. It stagnates in the body starting at about 20, 25, 30 and then because we do not work our lymphatic system right, and we do not have the education about it or the knowledge regarding the system that drains and detoxes the body of toxicity. It really hurts us. It catches up with us. It stagnates in our body. It creates all kinds of congestion at various points. You see lymphedema, you see swelling, you see obesity. Toxins build up, they cause problems with disease down the road. It's a big problem when your body becomes stagnant. 

So what happens with lymphology is you reverse that stagnation in your body. You use the rebounder, you use natural good healthy food to cleanse your body. The rebounder moves the lymph, removes the stagnation, and helps to decongest the body. It's a process, it's a cycle. It's not a bang thing once you build up the toxins like this. It takes about a year, 6 months, but you see results. 3 months, really fast. It's really neat. You get back your health. You get the exercise. It's such a quantum leap in your health by decongesting and removing the stagnation of all the impurities and the toxins, metabolic waste that is built up from your inactivity and from your lack of knowledge of the lymphatic system, too. It's a quantum leap in health. It really is when you decongest and remove the stagnation of the impurities from your system via the lymphatic system. And it is a natural body detox system.

MARTIN: Scott, you're nice and quiet. Did you have any thoughts about it?

SCOTT: Well, I know that one way that we can move our lymph is walking. Another way would be using a rebounder. Martin has shown me his rebounder many times. And my question would be along the lines of, how much work is it going to take? Right. So, we live a very sedentary life, generally speaking, if I can talk about the general society that we live in, and do we need to walk 20 minutes a day, four hours a day? Do we need to rebound for five minutes a day, three hours a day? How do you judge what people need, and if you do too much, will you detox too fast? Is that going to have some issues?

DAVID: That's an excellent question, Scott. Thank you very much for that. Right. It depends on your health, your age. If you're 40 and you're experiencing lymphatic system congestion symptoms or stagnation, there are 24 symptoms. Let's say on a normal day, I go through my day, I'm a little bit low in energy. One day I might have a couple skin outbreaks, a little bit of red skin here. I might get a feeling of tightness in the head or slight headaches. And then I start doing the rebounder and lymphology. Okay. Depending on how you do the rebounder, you've already got a toxic load there. Okay? Because when you start getting any of the 24 symptoms of lymphatic system stagnation, congestion, and there's a lot of them- headaches, sore bones, this, that, and the other thing, anything you feel pain is basically lymphatics trying to say that you've got toxins in your body. If you start doing the rebounder like that, you might be able to do it for a minute, 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 40 seconds, somewhere in there, but then you'll start getting lymphatic symptoms from the rebounder because the rebounder detoxes your body at 100% efficiency of the lymphatic system. 

So all of a sudden, when you step on it and let's say you do a micro-bounce, this is what you do at that level. When you first start out and you test it, it's a measuring stick for your health, you might start to feel a tight head. The next symptom is headaches, okay? At 40 seconds, let's say. So then you stop. Then you do it for five days like that. You measure yourself. You work yourself up to a minute. Let's say you're 40 years old. Okay, that's one example. So that's how you move up in the rebounder. If you're a little bit low energy, maybe a headache here and there, skin itches, stuff like that, right? 

Let's say you're in really good health, you feel it, you can start doing the rebounder. You might get two, three, four, five minutes, and then you start feeling a little bit tight in the head. The next symptom is headaches. So, you get the tightness in the head for five minutes, and then 10 minutes after, 10 minutes goes by then you feel the headaches. So, that's the measuring stick. You use the rebounder, you feel the symptoms, and then you back off. Okay? So, in the case of the guy who does the rebounder for 40 seconds there. He starts to feel a little bit tight in the head. He could go 40 seconds five times a day, right? And then you slowly move up on the rebounder. You slowly detoxify with the microbounce.

And you build time that way, right? And then you start adding cleaners because the supplements that you buy at the health store are really good. They're pure, and they're natural like Martin sells. Okay, those are antioxidants. They help neutralize the oxidized cells. They make the cell zero with… All the toxic cells basically have subatoms in them. So when you add antioxidants, it neutralizes the subatoms. It makes a cell neutral, and therefore it has no electrical properties to affect the cellular structure of your body. 

Do the rebounders, you add the cleaners, you use the measuring stick, you build up that way, right? And then if, like I was saying about the guy that's 40 and in really good health, he can do it more, right? He can do micro bouncing, he can do middle bouncing, you get to level, you feel your body, right? It's very important because the rebounder is a measuring stick to your health.

MARTIN: I have a distinct memory of getting on a rebounder the first time in my life and doing probably two minutes of this. You call it micro bounce, the baby bounce. It's just a lift that you don't even leave the surface of the rebounder. You're just making it pulse.

MARTIN: Anyway, I did two, three minutes of it. I stepped off of it, and I was filled with joy. I could not stop smiling. I felt like everything woke up. 

DAVID: And that's another characteristic, too, because we're all, we all have good thoughts. If you take good thoughts on the rebounder, okay, and you start using it, even the microbounce, it amplifies those. You get on, you get off in an even better mood. Okay. So, you can use the rebound to train your thought patterns. I know Tony Robbins uses this as well, and we all know he's a big guru, right? So there are few people like that as well.

SCOTT: Right.

DAVID: So you can use it to train your thought patterns, make them better, better cognitive, clearer thinking, more memory. That is quite possible too. Not only that, when you use the rebounder, it energizes your body. So when you get off, you have energy for the day. One of the metaphors or things I like to think of is an Indian rubber ball. When you bounce it, it hits the ground, but most of the energy gets absorbed back into it and then it slowly loses its balance. But when you do the rebounder, you actually absorb that energy. You make glycogen too, which is very very important for your daily cycle and energy in the body. Okay? And that adds to the energy level for your day too, right? It helps sleep patterns as well, stuff like that. It's pretty awesome, right?

SCOTT: Cool. I like what you're saying about listening to your body because I know when I was in my teenage years, if I had a rebounder, I would be bouncing as hard as I could, and then I'd probably be laying on the ground wondering why everything's spinning around. But now that I'm slightly wiser, I take it slow and steady. Be the tortoise, not the hare. Right.

DAVID: That's correct. Right. You listen to your body, you figure it out, right? And then if you can't make that next step or something's going on, do some more investigation. Martin's around, he knows about all this stuff. You ask him about some supplements. There's people like me around. There's others with rebounders. Investigate it. I get a lot of stuff off the net, okay? And everybody says Google this and that and ChatGPT and this and that, but they have to be quite factual. Okay. So, there is a lot of stuff there, right? You have to know how to pick and choose. Quite frankly, I've had articles written that are quite detrimental, by prominent universities against us, against what I do or rebounding and stuff like that, or trampolines. But they compare a trampoline to a mini trampoline. My point is, there’s information there. You go through it, you pick it, right? So, there's stuff there too, right? 

MARTIN: There's all kinds of writing that happens without understanding.

DAVID: 100%. It's part of the trauma.

MARTIN: There are plenty of researchers who have zero practical experience. They're just academic, and they don't understand. So, just to be clear, a trampoline has a cycle of maybe a bounce every 20 or 30 seconds, or I don't know what it is. It's a long, tall leap. That's not what we're after. We want something that is about five cycles per second. One, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. Something like that.

DAVID: Yes. Essentially, when you rebound or with the mini trampoline, right, you are doing a vertical motion workout, and it's 100% vertical motion, gravitational. Not horizontal. Okay. So, when we run, we run, and we take a little bounce, but it's only 2% vertical motion when we run.

SCOTT: Right. And mostly it’s forward movement.

DAVID: As where when you put a thousand bounces on a rebounder in a 20-minute period, that's quite a workout against gravity. Okay.

SCOTT: I want to go back to the trampoline, Dave, because my grandkids have a trampoline in their backyard. And not to say it's bad or anything like that, but I'm just curious. I think probably it's better than not bouncing, but I guess my big question is, is this helpful for the lymphatic system, or doesn't it make much difference?

DAVID: It's definitely not as helpful as the mini rebounder and it might be a little bit more detrimental because when you're bouncing on,

SCOTT: Well, when they bounce, and they go flying off of it 20 feet into the field, that's probably not the best way to use a trampoline.

SCOTT: I agree. It's just when you're on a bigger trampoline, and you compare it to a small one, you do a high bounce, right? Your heart is beating, but your lymphatic system is not moving.

SCOTT: So the lymphatic system only really moves when you go down and then back up, or when you go up and then back down.

DAVID: It moves with pressure in your body. So, when I breathe, then I'm causing a positive pressure in my body. So I'm forcing fluids out, things like that. Then when I exhale, I'm depressurizing. So pressurize, depressurize, right? 

SCOTT: So this is why breathwork is so important.

DAVID: Absolutely. Right. It gives your body oxygen. And not only that, but when you're sitting calm and relaxed, right? Breathing deeply, slowly really fills everything up. It just seems to stretch it nice. Your whole body too, and it just seems to oxygenate the whole area in a slow manner. So breathwork is really good. I do some breathwork on the rebounder too. 

SCOTT: I'm sorry. I just imagined myself doing breathwork on the rebounder, and all that happened is I fell off.

DAVID: And this is, a lot of people are intimidated by the rebounder too. But you have a wall you can get a stabilizing bar. There's this video right? We're going through some stuff here. It's a skim, right? But at the same time, you get the idea, right? The measuring stick, you get a rebounder. It's a health device that you keep in your home. It's a personal piece of equipment. $300 or $400. Try it out exactly like this. You can return it in two weeks. Companies give a deal like that. You will see that, right? I guarantee you. With you, you’ll probably do a micro bounce. This is good. As you start to do it a bit more and it's ah, I see what you mean, right? So, that's the measuring stick. Then once you get there, then you realize, okay, well use with caution but this is how you use it, you build up gradually, and you make sure you eat good, your diet's part of it too, your stress level, your breathing. I like yoga. I walk. I do other things too.

MARTIN: David, I hear you just pop in with the main topic of my contribution to our clientele which is managing the internal pH because the body fluids, actually the pH of the body fluids dictates the carrying capacity for oxygen. If you're overly acidified, you're not going to be able to carry the oxygen to the tissues. And so that requires picking the foods that are balancing the internal alkalinity or acidity of the body fluids.

DAVID: pH levels. That's correct. And that's sorry I missed that. I apologize. Right. Thank you for leading me there. We would have got it right. But yeah, pH levels of the body are extremely important. Right. As you were saying, it leads to acidity or alkalinity. And if you think of acidity and what it really means, the way I like to think of it is like an acid car battery. We know that stuff is going to eat. So, think of it in your body. All right. And then what's happening to the internals of my body, because body detox and lymphology and the lymphatic system really are internal medicine. It's internal preventive medicine. 

The pH levels are extremely important when you're acidic. It causes a blockage. It causes congestion. It's stagnation. And then it's like a clump. And with all the stuff that people eat, like sugar, and they smoke, and there's alcohol and flour and grain, and it's a big mash inside if you don't remove this stagnation already, and then you get these pH dead zones, and it's like a clump of stuff now. Okay. So then you got to get rid of the clump. So that's where the rebounder in this action makes a big difference too.

MARTIN: Have you also gotten into massaging body parts, like pumping the lymphatics. Have you done any of that, or do you do any of that?

DAVID: I don't do lymphatic system massage simply because I go after the nitty-gritty. So, by going after the nitty-gritty, the rebounder is also going to move the lymph nodes. It's all going to come out. It's the cleaners too that we put in, right? I like liquids because in the lymphology course they say liquids get absorbed 98% in the body. So one of the things, Naka Vital Greens is a liquid, so that works good for me. It's a green food, it really seems to do well. I do the Strata-Flora for my probiotics. I throw in some sea silver for a microbial, some MSM, which is organic sulfur. But if you think about it, sulfur kills fungus. So if you have internal fungus problems or anything like that from a parasite, it works. And that's one of the things I used in my journey, too.

SCOTT: Okay. Before we go any further, we're going to take a 10-second break. 

All right, we're back with David Scriven of detoxguy.ca. And Dave, we have the website, and I thought maybe this would be a good time to just take a quick look at it and show everybody. We'll have a link to it.

MARTIN: Yeah. The first thing that will hit you is the picture of old David and the picture of current David. I don't know if you can zoom in on it, but there he is in his glory years. When he was, I don't know, was it two and a half times the weight of what you're today?

DAVID: That picture is about 290 lbs.

MARTIN: Yeah.

DAVID: And I think it was probably when I was 37, and that was down in the US. So that's probably about three months later. I came back from the US, and then I ran into my Rolfer for my bodywork. So that's really my massage and she told me about lymphology and she's got 30 degrees and naturopathy and other ones too. She's actually a doctor of naturopathy now, but she told me about the rebounder. I took it home and I used it for 12 minutes and I would just sweat like I have never been, like you were talking about it too, the feeling and everything. Right. So I lost 65 pounds in three months. Right.

SCOTT: Oh wow.

DAVID: I've kept it off. So, sure, it's not just the rebounder, it's the detox I talked about. Okay. It’s putting the cleaners in your body, right? I was very fortunate because when I did my rebounder the first time, I did it for 12 minutes. When I got my rebounder from Miranda, she said, "Don't do it a lot." And I did it, and then I went back to her, and she said, "You did it for 12 minutes?” This, and then she got headaches for five days after she did the rebounder the first time, and she has all these certs. So, I got lucky because I had done a bunch of cleaners and stuff before I did the rebounder. So, that's the key. It's important as a cleaner.

SCOTT: One of the things that happens is we have this sewer system, and unfortunately it's just like a swamp. Nothing is moving. And then the body is trying to protect you from all these toxins. And then what we do is we bounce up and down, and we take detox, and all the rest of it, and then we just basically stir this whole thing up, and then we feel terrible if you do it too much, right? Because you're basically, your body is getting rid of it, but in the process of getting rid of it, you're experiencing all of it. Whereas if you do it somewhat slower, if you get little by little out, you're going to, you're not going to be having that. I mean, we use a lot of Fulvic Acid. I use a lot of Fulvic acid. We sell a lot of Fulvic Acid. It's a detox thing, and in my infinite wisdom, I've been taking Fulvic Acid for 15 years, and I really like it, and no this is a new one, okay, and glug glug glug instead of taking a dropper, and I was like, three days feeling absolutely horrible, Martin goes “Well you're detoxing Scott. Like, what did you expect?” “Well, it never happened like this before.” That’s my detox story.

MARTIN: Yeah, I would like to jump in here. You highlighted Rolfing. It's an underadvertised and underutilized phenomenal method of helping people with their structural integrity, with their structural health, and I've done a full set of Rolfing plus plus, not that I've taught it. I've been a consumer of it, or the receiving side of it, and it's a phenomenal method of helping to deal with structural issues of how the body is holding together. You want to say more about it David?

DAVID: I can comment a bit. I'm not a Rolfer but as you mentioned, I've had a lot of commercial experience with it. The lady that has given me a lot of my knowledge, Miranda,  she's one of the best in Ottawa. I couldn't have done, I would have been slower with my journey because secondary Raynaud's is a cousin of FM.

MARTIN: Right.

DAVID: People with MF, FM get tender points. I had massive ones. So, that's one of the things that kept my structure intact because with my disease it has internal swelling. So, I was collapsing internally. Slowly over time.

SCOTT: Oh, no.

DAVID: The weak tissue, so, the rolfing would keep me back in place, but I'd have the tender spots. But now that my tissue is strong because I have so much infection out of me.The Rolfing is crazy good. Oh, everybody should have it. You do a set of three. Feel what the freedom is when you have your tissue released. And it goes really well with the rebounder, too. All your aches and pains and your sore spots and everything, they come out with Rolfing. At least I find. Okay. I don't know about you, Martin. Right. But it makes a big difference in the postural integrity of your body. I know that one of my,

MARTIN: I don't have the pictures. The Rolfer has the pictures, but he showed them. He has it in the file. Martin before and Martin after. And it's quite remarkable how the body is capable of rearranging itself and holding itself in a different shape.

DAVID: Or light, it's just like lymphology. It's just like we know mental health. We're finding it a lot, right?

MARTIN: Well, I'll say this. Our emotions, especially our unresolved or traumatic emotions, are stored in the soft tissues of our body. So we hold it, and it's in both the fascia and the lymph, or lymphatics, and the lymphatics are the tubes and the fascia is what the rolfing addresses. So you need to, or we all need to work on all of it.

DAVID: And this was key for me too because Rolfing releases a lot of trauma in the tissue. The lymphatic system, is really responsible for your immune system too. It's delicate. So is the lymphatic system. When it's damaged, the lymphatic system is damaged. It's really hard to get back. So the Rolfing, the tissue work, the lymphology, getting my immune system back working- the lymphatic system is really critical to that. So it all goes together. But I had to have immune system health, too. And it's unbelievable how the lymphatic system affects the immune system, too. Immune system cells are formed in the lymphatic system and are dumped back into the blood system with the exchange of fluids between the blood circulatory and the lymphatic circulatory system, and then they're spread that way. So, if they're not created in the lymphatic system when it's healthy, what's the quality of the natural killing power of the cells? So this is why I think if your lymphatic system is not clean or dirty, your immune system is suppressed, weakened, and by doing your lymphatic system, cleaning it out, cleaning your toxin load, heightens your immune system, too.

SCOTT: I want to go back to losing 65 pounds in three months. So before, when you were of a heavier weight, you were probably eating carrots and celery and drinking water. And then when you lost the weight, you were eating McDonald's burgers and fries, right?

DAVID: When I had the weight, believe it or not, everything was the same basically.

SCOTT: Really? The first thing I think of when I see those two pictures is that guy made a dramatic change in his diet. That's the first thing that goes through my head.

DAVID: A little bit. A little bit. And to this day, I still mix and match. I don't eat McDonald's, but I might go and get a shawarma or maybe a nice Chinese food dish or something like that. I don't.

SCOTT: So, you're not a fanatical, I only eat beef or I only eat carrots person. You're eating what would be a relative, like if Martin and I came over for dinner and you cooked us dinner, we wouldn't think this guy is really strange in what he's eating. 

DAVID: I would have to cook for you maybe to accommodate you a bit more. Okay, because you're more healthy, right? But this is one of the things that my naturopath and I discussed, and I have a good one too, right? We recently discussed this and I was on, when I was really sick I was on a blood diet. So I was really watching my food for pH content. To keep it up. Not a lot of people know what a blood diet is. Anyway, me and my naturopath discussed what I'm eating now and she said a balance, right? Beef, chicken, normal stuff. Have your greens, this that and the other. Do your rebounding. Do your lymphology, and I can get away with this now. Or I can live this normal life because I feel, because of the rebounder, right? But I do some supplements too. The supplements I feel are the key for me. It all depends on how hard you want to drive yourself. Martin probably

SCOTT: 65 pounds in three months is an amazing accomplishment,

DAVID: Right? Yeah. No. And I did a little bit of toxic cleanup, detox cleaners. I had to. I ran some whole-body detox liquid through my body. It wasn't the Vital Greens. Something else. I forget what it was. Seasilver. I think a long time ago it was called, but I ran that through my body for 60 days, and you could actually feel the stuff coming out of you because when you detoxify, you get a little bit maybe nasty, low energy, loose bowel movements, things like that, right? So, yeah, I had to do the cleaners, but to this day, I eat a little bit better. I'm more conscious of it, but I don't punish myself either. If I want to have a nice meal, I have a nice meal. But I always know I can go back to the clean, pristine, healthy cycle because I've kept that. And then I can step out a bit here and maybe a bit there. But I've got the 100% body detox device, my rebounder, and that's key. Once you get clean, then it's,

SCOTT: Do you find people self-sabotage themselves? They get to a certain point, they're getting better, and then they just identify so much with their illness that they were on the rebounder every day, and then for three weeks they've ignored it.

DAVID: Yes. I don't know a lot of people that do the rebounder.

SCOTT: Okay. 

DAVID: So, when they get to a point in their disease, I think they self-sabotage themselves. They may not progress a little bit, or it may not be going the way it is. Or they get there, and then they stop doing what they need to do, and they fall off a bit. Something like that. The rebounder gives you ultimate health, right? Every time I use it, I could see myself going up, up, up and plateaus. So, I didn't plateau, right? And then when you get to really need health, then you can take a little bit of a step back from it too, right? And you don't dive. And then step back on it and keep going, right? So, take a vacation for a few days, celebrate. You're feeling a lot better. So.

SCOTT: Both you and Martin have talked about how good it feels doing the rebounding, and it reminds me of when I ran a lot, and I would have that runner's high where I would just feel like I'm just floating along. I'm not really running. If you looked at me, you'd say he's running, but it doesn't feel like I'm running. And I have this really wonderful peaceful feeling in my brain.

DAVID: That's absolutely correct. When we exercise, we generate a lot of endorphins that are really positive to our body. We generate energy. We fulfill the metabolic cycle. Cell life or death, burn off things, regenerate. Sleep, as we get older, we stagnate, we slip, right? And we don't have this knowledge of the lymphatic system, what vertical motion workouts mean. 87% non-impact device that builds energy that moves your lymphatic system 100% and also heightens your immunities, boosts your energy.

SCOTT: That non-impact is so important.

DAVID: It is so important. Here's a big critical thing, right? People see rebounding or rebounding in anthology, and they go up, and they go out and get a $100 rebounder from Walmart. Worst mistake in the world. 

MARTIN: Yeah, they may as well be bouncing on cardboard.

DAVID: And then the energy you put into it to move it, okay, there's no energy return like the Indian rubber ball thing I talked about. There is no energy return. And then some people may get the right rebounder. And the way they do it if you've ever seen JB Burns, now he has the wrong rebounder too. But as far as I'm concerned, when you stand on the rebounder and you have your legs spread wide like this, and then you start moving. It's really hard on your inner core, right? And that's the whole 15-minute workout standing with your legs wide like this and bouncing on. To me that's incorrect, right? And that's on a harder surface, too. So, I just don't know. That's why you want the proper ____. You want a technique where you're microbing with your feet on the mat, but you've got a good plane in your body. So $100 rebounder is no good. You've got to get something that's 250, 300 bucks minimum. 87% non-impact, 80% non-impact, bungee cord, proper stuff.

MARTIN: Well, we have them available at the Life Enthusiast website. We have the JumpSport, which is the bungee cord model, and we have partnered with Cellerciser. It's a bit more than $300. It's double that.

DAVID: Absolutely. No, no, it's just an example, right? Yeah.

SCOTT: I see them for $200 on Amazon. Okay.

MARTIN: Yeah. And they are not good.

DAVID: No. Well, it might work for eight months or something like that, or it gives you something, right? You were saying the JumpSport. I had a Cellerciser. Right now, I've got a Fit Bounce which is about 700 bucks. It's a bungee cord rebounder. It's a half fold. So, I loved my Cellerciser.  I had it for 15 years, and I couldn't burn it out. And I’m like, you know me, I do, well, I'm a lymphologist, so I do micro, mid, and aerobic level rebounding, right? Lymphatic stuff like that. I run, I skip, I do mogul skiing, play tennis, simulate hockey, simulate tennis, things like that, right? So, you can get really creative with your rebounder, too. And then you do the mind work, right? I do my martial arts. I sharpen my skills. I keep it all set. I have a 55-pound weight vest, I load it with 20 pounds.

SCOTT: Good for you. I have a weight vest too.

DAVID: But it's a big thing. This is awesome for core strength. And then you microbounce, right? So, that's another thing.

SCOTT: Never thought of that. I have that vest, but I never thought of rebounding.

DAVID: Load it up with about 10 pounds. Do your micro bounce. Get your rebounder. Do your micro bouncing. Figure it out. Then put on your weight vest. Put in. Load up 10 pounds. Don't do a lot. 

SCOTT: Right.

DAVID: Micro bounce and feel it. And then you'll feel it. Not only that, but first-time users when you use a rebounder, if you do it a little bit, get off and then jump a bit. Notice the force of gravity on your body because it almost slams you back down to earth. After doing the rebounder. You may not feel it so much with the micro bouncing. You may feel it a bit, but I know I've done it when I did my rebounder the first time, or there's a couple times there. I did that. I did some heavy stuff and then I got off and I jumped, and it was like gravity brings you right down. You really feel it. So, you get a lot of knowledge from feeling on the rebounder too.

SCOTT: This is the one that has the bungees, which is so much better in my opinion than the springs.

MARTIN: Well, it's quiet.

SCOTT: It's quiet.

MARTIN: It's gentler.

SCOTT: Gentler. Yeah. You always know with the spring, it kind of snaps back, right? Where this is just, it's beautiful. I love it.

DAVID: With the Cellerciser, he has a special spring on it that's patented.

MARTIN: Yeah. Barrel-shaped spring. It does not unload the kinetic energy on you all in one go. It actually uncoils slowly and then recoils slowly. So there's a deceleration rather than impact.

SCOTT: Nice.

DAVID: It's all what you want to do with the rebounders, too, right? I'm comfortable with my bungee cord because I've been on it for a while. Dave Hall’s rebounder, it's probably a little bit better than my bungee cord one. I figure 5%, maybe 7% something like that. But I can live with stuff like that, right? His stuff is really solid.

MARTIN: You know, my thinking on this is that there are two types of people, the hard bodies and the soft bodies. Some people love physicality, and others just put up with it. Well, I'm the put up with it guy. I am not loving to go very physical. So, I'm just fine with the bungee cords, but I can just imagine that somebody who is really into serious fitness would say, "This is wuss. Let's go hard."

SCOTT: Have you seen some of those fitness classes where they're all on rebounders and the music is pounding and they're just moving their legs like crazy? It's just,

MARTIN: Yeah, that's the aerobic on a rebounder, which,

SCOTT: That's right. 

DAVID: I actually saw one where the guy's jumping up and down and they bring their knees up and their hands down at the same time. I tried it, and for me at 62, that's too intense but I can do my cross-stepping, I can do my skipping. The weight vest is absolutely fantastic, and then you start doing, maybe not, a little bit more than a micro bounce, and then you throw in your skipping, you throw in your running, you throw in your walking your cross-stepping- whatever you want to do, simulation tennis, hockey yeah, mogul skiing.

MARTIN: Yeah, that.

SCOTT: Be creative in your life.

DAVID: Okay. So, you use that, that's where you would, the weight vest is really advantageous, too, right? It gets you up to a level of almost physicality, as you mentioned, Martin. Okay. That you could do on the Cellerciser. And it may be even more beneficial on a Cellerciser if you really want to get intense, if you're a big-time athlete, stuff like that, right? 

MARTIN: There's a particular move which is running while squatting, right? You put yourself down into your knees, and you lower your pelvis as low as you know to, and then you run while doing that. That burns your quads like nothing else on the planet.

DAVID: I got to give that a try because I've never heard of that. But that's something I picked up.

MARTIN: Yeah, it's the running squat. It’s the ultimate energy burn, right? If you really want to burn off calories, go for that.

SCOTT: That's it. That's it.

DAVID: There we go.

MARTIN: Okay. So, the last thing that I noticed on your website was, "How do you know that your liver detox is working?" How do you know?

DAVID: First time I did a liver detox, it was probably about 20 years ago. And what I felt was when I did it, my energy levels went down. And then after I finished the cleanse, about 5 or 10 days later, my energy levels came back. So, that's a pretty good sign. When I asked the naturopath who put me on the cleanse, when he asked me about it, that's what I told him, and we agreed that this is pretty good. So, that's how I knew if you want to talk about it in terms of immunity and stuff like that.

MARTIN: Well, I don't want to spend an hour on it. I just wanted to highlight it in the terms of, okay people, the liver is where the metabolic waste is generated, and the liver is the filtration organ for all the metabolic stuff, and it will send it into the bloodstream, and it will end up in your lymphatic system. So it's a closed multi-circuit system where food hits the gut, that hits the liver that hits the blood, that hits the lymph, and it just goes in, out, in, out, and if any one part of it is not working right, they'll know about it.

DAVID: Everything in the body has got to work, right? All systems, all organs. The lymphatic system is the master detox system of the body. It's the only one. It keeps everything clean, pristine. And if you keep your body clean, you do not have problems with restrictive cellular feeding due to a lot of junk in your body. Which is a really good thing as well.

Really important system, health, immunity, detox, preventative medicine, exercise.

MARTIN: All right. So, if you want the details, the detoxguy.ca. David is in the capital of Canada, Ottawa, and you can find him on his website.

DAVID: Thank you very much.

SCOTT: Yeah, thank you so much, Dave for coming on, and you've been listening or watching the Life Enthusiast Health Shots podcast. Restoring vitality to you and the planet. Thanks for joining us everybody. We'll see you next time. Bye.

DAVID: Thank you Scott, Martin. Bye everybody.